Islam in Samoa

Islam in Samoa

by Moshe Terdiman

November 2011

Introduction

Samoa, which is known formally as the Independent State of Samoa, is located about halfway between Hawai’I and New Zealand, in the Polynesian part of the Pacific Ocean. It includes the western end of the Samoan islands, while the rest are under American rule. Migrants from Southeast Asia arrived in the Samoan islands about 3,000 years ago. The contact with the Europeans began in the early 1700s and intensified only with the arrival of British missionaries and merchants in the 1830s. At the turn of the 20th century, the Samoan islands were split into two sections. The eastern islands became US territories in 1904 and nowadays are known as American Samoa. The western islands became known as Western Samoa, passing from German rule to New Zealand, which conquered them at the beginning of World War I. New Zealand continued to administer the islands under the auspices of the League of Nations and then as a UN trusteeship until 1962, when the islands became the first Polynesian nation to reestablish independence in the twentieth century. In July 1997, the constitution was amended to change the country’s name from Western Samoa to Samoa. The neighboring US territory of American Samoa protested the move, feeling that the change diminished its own Samoan identity. American Samoans still use the terms Western Samoa and Western Samoans.[1]

Samoa’s total land area is 2,821 square kilometers, consisting of the two large islands of Upolu and Savai’i and seven small islets. Samoa has a population of about 193,000 as of July 2011. About three quarters of the overall population resides at the main island of Upolu, where the Samoan Capital, Apia, is also located. 42,000 people inhabit Savai’I, the largest of the Samoa islands and the sixth largest Polynesian island. According to the CIA Factbook 2011, Samoa’s population is divided into 92.6% Samoans, 7% Euroasians, and 0.4 Europeans.[2]

The dominant religion in Samoa is Christianity. According to the International Religious Freedom Report 2010, Christians comprise 98 percent of the overall population. This report also notes that “there is also a Muslim community that meets in a small mosque”. According to the same report, “all religious groups are multiethnic; none is exclusively composed of foreign nationals or native Samoans. There are no sizeable foreign national or immigrant groups, with the exception of U.S. nationals from American Samoa. In recent years there has been increased immigration of Chinese, Filipinos, and Fijians (mainly Indo-Fijians), often as service workers in local business or as contractors for building projects funded by foreign governments”.[3]

According to the 2001 census, Muslim population in Samoa was 48 or 0.03% of the total population. Data about Muslims from the 2006 census was not available.[4]

History of Islam in Samoa

The beginnings of Islam in Samoa go back to before 1985, when a few Muslim expatriate workers worked either for the government or for one of the UN programs.[5] However, it seems like their numbers were insignificant and they didn’t have any influence whatsoever on the local population.

During the mid-1980s, Islamic da’wah organizations, such as the Saudi-based World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY) and the Regional Islamic Da’wah Council of Southeast Asia and the Pacific (RISEAP), which is based in Kuala Lumpur, have been active in the Pacific and through its activities Samoan natives started to convert to Islam.

The first native Samoan who converted to Islam was Ilias Vole. He converted to Islam in mid-1985 due to the efforts of the WAMY director in New Zealand, A.R.Rasheed. But later on, he converted back to Christianity. Nevertheless, more native Samoans followed suit and converted to Islam in the coming years. In 1987, Ahmed Schuster and his family converted to Islam and in 1992, he and his wife performed the pilgrimage to Meccah and al-Madinah. In 1990, Mohammed Daniel Stanley and his family converted to Islam, partly through the activities of RISEAP and A.R.Rasheed.[6]

Already in 1986, the Samoan Muslims established the Western Samoa Muslim League. Its current president is Mohammed Daniel Stanley a.k.a. Mohammed Bin Yahya a.k.a. Laulu Dan Stanley. He is 64 years old and a well known accountant and auditor who operates his own accounting firm.[7]

As the head of the Samoan Muslim community, Mohammed Daniel Stanley has had one room of his house at Vaiusu Village, which is located next to Apia, as an Islamic Center and a mosque. The Islamic activities involve general teaching of Islam and nightly Qur’anic lessons and the Friday prayers have been led either by Mohammed Stanley or by his son, Anis.[8]

Mohammed Daniel Stanley has been working hard to propagate Islam among the Samoans. For a period of time, he had a weekly column in the leading Samoan newspaper titled “the message of Islam”. In addition, he translated a booklet written by Dr. Jamal Badawi — an Egyptian born Muslim Canadian author, preacher and speaker on Islam – titled “Muhammad in the Bible” into the Samoan language. WAMY and RISEAP have been actively helping Mohammed Daniel Stanley in his da’wah work by occasionally sending him money and translating Islamic materials into the Samoan language.[9]

Another outside Muslim organization which has been engaged in da’wah activity in Samoa is the New Zealand based Rasheed Memorial Dawah Trust. According to the website of the Rasheed Memorial Dawah Trust, its purpose is “to educate and engage people in Islam and in our communities, with a vision of achieving more peaceful, progressive communities by utilizing the heart of Islamic practice. We bring our aims to life by being active in specific, selected areas, notably interfaith dialogue (Salamah), religious education (Uloom), ecology (Mizaan) and charity (Ansaar).  RMDT was originally founded by Abdul Rahim Rasheed QSO (1938-2006) and was rededicated to him after his death. The Trust operates primarily in Auckland, the largest city in New Zealand, as well as in some Pacific islands such as Fiji, Tonga and Samoa. RMDT collaborates closely with like-minded groups in New Zealand, Australia and further afield.[10]

The Fiji Muslim League has been involved in helping the small Samoan Muslim community to give Islamic education to its children. In the past, the Fiji Muslim League provided scholarships to six Samoan students to study in Muslim colleges in Fiji and one of them graduated with a certificate in Electronic Engineering from the Islamic Institute of the South Pacific.[11]

The Samoan Muslims have been an inseparable part of the overall Samoan population, which is mostly Christian. This was best shown following the tsunami that hit Apia and the rest of Samoa on September 2009. The Western Samoa Muslim League with the help of Al-Ghazzali Centre, which is based in Sydney, and the Rasheed Mamorial Dawah Trust from Auckland donated two truck loads of aid to the emergency office in Apia for emergency distribution to victims of the tsunami. The two organizations also sent ten volunteers, including lawyers, accountants, and IT professionals, to help rebuild Samoa. They visited villages across Falealili and Aleipata, offering assistance with clearing damaged areas and helping families rebuild makeshift homes. They also helped in Vaiusu with Samoa’s biggest Mangrove project, planting 1000 mangrove seedlings before returning home. Moreover, Muslims organizations in Samoa, New Zealand, Fiji, and Australia made a coordinated effort to send family food packs from Fiji, each pack containing food to feed a family of eight members for one week.[12]

Indeed, the best explanation for this solidarity between Muslims and followers of other religions in the Southern Pacific was given by the Auckland lawyer and Secretary of the Rasheed Memorial Dawah Trust, Aarif Rasheed, who said that the South Pacific community is a relatively small one in which communities needed to support each other regardless of race, faith or other differences.[13]

Challenges Facing the Samoan Muslim Community

The small Samoan Muslim community is facing a lot of challenges going forward. According to a situation report on the Muslim communities in Tonga and Western Samoa prepared by the director of the Fiji Muslim League’s Da’wah Department, “there is a decline in Muslims’ numbers in Samoa due to migration and lack of support which caused some of these converts to slowly neglect Islam and they converted back to their old religions or are no longer members of any religion”.[14]

Moreover, according to the same report, other obstacles and challenges facing the Samoan Muslims are: “the Ahmadiyyah and Shi’a remain a great threat to this Muslim community; the social life and the family ties put great pressure on the new young converts to Islam. They have to follow the custom and norms of the society; when the young Muslims attain the age of marriage they find it difficult to get a Muslim partner and this result in marrying a non-Muslim. This results in he or she may abandoning Islam”.[15]

In addition, Mohammed Daniel Stanley has been outspoken against the possible spread of radical Islam to Samoa. Already in January 2003, he praised the directive issued in December 2002 by Fiti Sunia, the attorney general of neighboring American Samoa, according to which people from 23 identified risk countries (including Middle Eastern countries, Pakistan and Fiji among others) must receive his special approval before entering the territory. Mohammed Daniel Stanley said that American Samoa being a US territory could be a target for terrorist attacks. He said that Samoa should implement the same restrictions or, at least, should have some control over the whereabouts of these foreigners since their intentions were unclear. He was afraid that since tourism was at the time a major source of income for Samoa, an incident similar to the Bali bombing, which took place on October 12, 2002 and which resulted in 202 people killed and 240 people injured, happened in Samoa it would devastate the economy.[16]

Mohammed Daniel Stanley was also involved in the preparation of security measures during the 2007 South Pacific Games. Later on, following the killing of Osama bin Laden on May 2, 2011, he said that Osama bin Laden got what he deserved, but warned that revenge action taken by al-Qaeda might reach Samoa’s shores. Mohammed Daniel Stanley said that Osama bin Laden “deserved it because he put us [Muslims] all in danger. It’s a good thing that people like this causing problems for all the innocent people in the world get what they deserve. And the problem is that there are a lot of uneducated Muslims who will consider him a martyr and it’s those people who will create more danger later on. What we’re worried and concerned about are new leaders who come up and start new problems. New terrorism approaches using the name of Islam when what they do has nothing to do with Islam”.[17]

Mohammed Daniel Stanley further said that “although separate from local police and law enforcement, discussions in Our Centre is geared so our Muslim community understand the existence of Pakistani and Bangladeshi connections here in Samoa”. Therefore, the Islamic Centre will be monitoring those people and their whereabouts so that they will not be able to expose the Samoan Muslim community to what Mohammed Daniel Stanley termed as “any stupid un-Islamic activity”.[18]

Summary

The preamble to the Samoan constitution describes the country as “an independent state based on Christian principles and Samoan custom and traditions”.[19] Indeed, the Fa’a Samoa, or traditional Samoan way, has remained a strong force in Samoan life and politics. Despite centuries of European influence, Samoa has maintained its historical customs, social systems, and language, which is believed to be the oldest form of Polynesian speech still in existence.

That might be the explanation for the small Muslim Samoan community and for what seems like its dwindling numbers. Thus, the two factors that will determine the future of the Samoan Muslim community are the continuity of international Muslim funding, aid and da’wah efforts on the one hand and the impact of the clash which has been taking place between the Fa’a Samoa and the religion of Islam, which is foreign to this country and to its culture.   

It should be mentioned that there are significant Samoan communities in the US, New Zealand, and Australia. In general, these communities maintain ties with family remaining in Samoa, and still consider themselves to be Samoans. These communities have also experienced a few cases of conversion to Islam. The most famous of them is that of Sonny William ‘Sonny Bill’ Williams, a New Zealand rugby union player and former rugby league player of Samoan descent on his father’s side, who converted to Islam in 2008.

Therefore, Muslim converts from the Samoan Diaspora might have an impact on conversion of their family members who still reside in Samoa to Islam.


[10] See on-line at: http://www.rmdt.org.nz/

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90 Responses to Islam in Samoa

  1. buma lotamama says:

    Are you kidding me? tell me that you are kidding me.. Hell no way any of my families will be converted to that crazy blood thirsty religion. Nothing good comes out of that religion but murderers and abusing women.. Please take your Muslim out of Samoa and go to Pakistan or the middle east where it is welcome.. Mohammed the fake wanna be prophet is a murderer.

    • Don Fretton says:


      – Jesus never said “I am God” or “Worship Me”
      – Jesus said “Our Father who art in Heaven” not My Father who art in Heaven.
      – Jesus said “My Father is Greater than I”_John14:28
      – Jesus said “My Father is Greater than all”_John10:29
      – Jesus said “I cast out devils with the spirit of God”_Matthew12:28
      – Jesus said “I with the finger of God cast out devils”_Luke11:20
      – Jesus said “I can of my own self do nothing, as I hear I judge and my judgment is just, for i seek not my will but the will of Almighty God”_John5:30
      – Jesus said “Do not call me Good, No one is Good except God”_Mark10:18
      – Jesus said “Do not think I have come to destroy the law but to fulfill” which is all the legislation’s in the old testament_Matthew5:17
      – Jesus said “Oh Israel, The Lord our God is One..”_Mark12:29
      – Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life, No one comes to the Father except through me” meaning through his teachings not in worship_John14:6
      – Jesus said “I and the Father are one” meaning in Purpose not in person_John10:30 do not quote a verse out of context.
      – Jesus said “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel”_Matthew15:24
      – Jesus said “Those who deny me as King, bring them here and slay them before me”_Luke19:27 seeing you are accusing servants of Almighty God that nothing good comes out of their faith but murderers
      – Jesus said “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs”_Matthew15:26 seeing you are accusing the servants of Almighty God that they abuse women verbally, mentally or physically.
      There’s a difference between culture and faith, teachings of Islam and the way a Muslim practices its teachings.
      Every faith is justified by its book but at the end of the day its which book is more authentic and has genuine proof and evidence of it being the actual Word of God so my point is start with yourself before your start on anyone else, judge your faith before judging others if anyone from the Polynesian island is to mock, joke and judge others about their faiths its a shame to see you dishonor your own culture let alone your own faith “Christianity” in specific since i am a revert from that faith because when i last checked I’m pretty sure Jesus was a Humble man who preached about Peace according to the Christians, not a CLOWN who amuses others (May God protect me).

      • Papalii says:

        You cannot read the Bible like the Koran, the above verses are taken out of context and you forgot to mention the verses that show Christ to be the Son of God and how He is One with The Father with plenty of references to the Old testament backing the new testament. Very weak argument. at the end of the day, TRUTH is what matters right? maybe you need to look to JESUS and stop asking HOW he died and start asking WHY he died. nothing changed between His death and the prophet Muhammed. if it did, it still doesn”t change that fact that JESUS claimed to be THE MESSIAH. he is either a Liar or HE’s telling the truth and every other religion is wrong. it is important that it is right because only one can be right and means alot of people will perish. i have chosen to put my faith in Jesus because i believe who He says he is. And no one will get to the father except through Him. i pray for Samoa and also for truth to our muslim community there that Jesus Christ is LORD. this with humble respect fellow ISLAM.

      • Mohammed Maualaivao Neru 111 Al Shafii says:

        These guys are Salafi Wahabi?sect of Muhammed ibn abdul wahab , there not Alhul sunna ? They attribute body parts to Allah , they believe Allah is some entity hovering in the sky somewhere between the throne and the ceiling of Paradise ? There tawheed is identical to the christians , they believe God sits on the throne like a human and that hHe has two right hands , face , shin , feet , eyes , fingers , Wow ! I am often asked to make a list of things that are different between the wahabi creed (i.e. that of their leaders) and Islam.

        The core difference is that when wahabis say that Aļļaah does not resemble His creation, they mean that He is different in the same way as created things differ from one another, like in the case of fingerprints. Everybody has different fingerprints. So when they say Aļļaah has a hand, but “not like ours,” they mean that it has different physical characteristics, such as color, number of fingers, or print, or something like that. This is true, because they believe Aļļaah is something that can be pointed at in a direction and has a limit, i.e. a shape and size. For simplicity, let us call it a body, because a body is anything with a size and shape, even if many wahabis do not like this word.

        All creations as observed by our eyes, have a shape, and differ only in the form of the shape, and in size. Since the wahabis believe that their god is a body, their belief is that he is only different in bodily characteristics, such as the exact form and size. This means that he would be part identical to creation, and part different; the way created things differ.

        On the other hand, Sunnis say that the reality of Aļļaah’s existence absolutely does not resemble that of His creation. They do not believe that Aļļaah is different from His creation merely in the way created things differ from one another. For this reason, Sunnis say that the reality of Aļļaah’s existence is not bodily. That is, He must be without size or shape.

        Another way to express the Sunni belief in Aļļaah’s non-resemblance to creation is to say that Aļļaah is clear of resemblance to whatever needs specification. The reality of Aļļaah’s existence cannot require specification. This is because requiring specification means being dependent on something else to be specified by. In other words, it means being dependent upon a creator to provide specification and existence according to the specification.

        Bodily existence, which entails size and shape, is in need of specification of its size and its shape, because no shape or size has a higher priority for existence intrinsically. No size is more likely to exists than any other without influence from other than it. Likewise, no shape is more likely to exist than any other without influence from other than it. It needs therefore to have specification from other than it. Anything that has bodily existence must therefore be a creation, and cannot be the Creator. That is why the Salaf, though they did not explain in detail, always stated that Aļļaah’s attributes are without a how, that is, without specification, that is, without shape or change. Due to the closeness to the time of prophethood, they had great minds, and a profound understanding of the religion, They understood that Aļļaah is not limited or having boundaries, or less than perfect in any sense, and that He is therefore not in a direction or changing. They expressed all this with the simple phrase: “without a how,” They took this phrase from the quranic: “He absolutely does not resemble anything.” That is, the reality of His existence does not resemble that of creation.

        In conclusion, the wahabi belief is that Aļļaah differs from creation the way creation differ from one another. They believe that His existence is bodily, like that of creatures. This is the most fundamental difference between Sunnis and wahabis.

        The other core difference, their unique concept of shirk, is really a consequence of this. Let me explain…

        When human beings worship a 3 dimensional shape, they feel a need to somehow make it different than other objects. The reason is that the essential reality of the existence of what they worship, is the same as all other things around them. After all, a 3 dimensional shape is just a 3 dimensional shape with respect to its kind of existence, i.e. bodily existence. Thus, this difference that they seek can only be in terms of:

        -what is seen, i.e in appearance, i.e. in shape, size or color, or location

        -some unseen characteristic claimed, or

        -how one behaves towards this object.

        That is why you will find a buddhist or anemist (those who worship trees and other objects found) makes sure to decorate his idol, gives it a weird shape, such as several heads, and if he is rich he’ll buy one made from gold. You will also find him putting it in a special location in his house. This takes care of appearance. He will claim that the idol has godly power, or knowledge, or the like, to attempt to rationalize its worship. Then he will behave with special ceremonial rites in its physical presence. A lot of attention is paid then to the idol’s location, ceremonial behavior related to this location, and ornamentation to distinguish it from other object. This is to contribute to the illusion that it is essentially different from other objects, and make it seem plausible that it is a god.

        The wahabis are the same, because just like ordinary idol worshipers, they worship what is essentially a 3 dimensional thing. However, their object of worship is not present, so they will simply say regarding its appearance, “not like other objects, and we do not know how.” This way they leave it open, and can tell a buddhist, “our object is so much better than yours,” and when asked “how?” They will say, “we do not know, but it the best that can be.”

        In the appearance aspect of location, their special location is “above the world in direction.” Here they have exceeded all other idol worshipers by choosing a really, really special location that cannot be reached by the senses.

        But they are at a conceptual loss for what on earth Aļļaah’s oneness would mean, as it is not an absolute to them. After all, any single physical object is “one” in count, but not in kind, and since they believe He is an object, the meaning of “one” that would be worth being zealous about becomes quite foggy, and they have quite a dilemma. All they can do is say that only the body they call Aļļaah (but is actually not Him) deserves worship, while the other objects/bodies do not. But what would be their bases for this claim?

        They cannot claim this based on the reality of the existence of their object of worship, because it is a body, and there are very many bodies around with the same mode of existence.

        They cannot claim distinction based on unseen characteristics, because if omnipotence, omniscience and eternal existence could be attributes of a 3 dimensional being, then there is no way to rationally prove that one such thing could have them, while another not. That is, basing it on the claim that this object has all sorts of unseen characteristics, such as power, would not satisfy them in their search for the meaning of oneness that would make them different from other idol worshipers. After all, all idol worshipers claim their idols have all sorts of powers, so this wouldn’t make them special, or different in an essential way. This is especially when compared to religions with an identical belief regarding the reality of the creator’s existence, namely bodily existence, such as the christians, and especially the jews.

        In practice, however, wahabi’s have achieved an advantage over other object worshipers, because they could break physically present idols, and claim that their (o so conveniently absent) object is unbreakable, and no competing idol worshipers would be able to prove them wrong, even if they themselves cannot prove that they are right.

        In these ways, the wahabis can make themselves feel superior in the distinguishing game of idol worship (like when Hindus claim their idols are better than those of Bhuddists and vice versa). However, this is all very weak by itself, because it is based on the physical absence of their idol, and the existence of such a fantastic idol is impossible to prove. This is because physical objects cannot be proven to exist except by observation. The proofs for the existence of a creator that Muslims use do not help them, because they are all based on the idea that what has a size and shape and changes needs a creator, which means that their idol would need one also.

        This is where their concept of shirk comes to play; they needed something to make them really different in their claim to be uniquely monotheist. They felt a need to make their worshiped object different than other objects in a more tangible way. After all, they are a people that do not think much of non-tangibles. They, or rather Ibn Taymiyyah, invented the concept of Aļļaah’s oneness being a matter of our behavior, a matter of who can be called for help and who cannot. This is their equivalent to the Buddhists ceremonious behavior around where the idol is placed, to their own physically absent idol, in order to distinguish it from other bodies. They made it the only body that can be called for help, regardless of whether one believes the called upon to have actual and real independent power or not.

        All the other differences they argue for, such as their saying that all scripture texts must be understood literally, are inconsistent ideas that they use only when it suits their purpose. After all, if it suits their purpose they will go against all Arabic dictionaries in their understanding of a word, as is the case with (خلق) kħalaqa – to create, and (أحدث) aĥdatħa – to bring into existence. This is when they say that Aļļaah’s attribute of Speech is muĥdatħ but not makħluuq. An interpretation does not get more far-fetched than that, and yet they will cry “deviance!” if someone chooses a meaning from the dictionary, if it does not agree with their belief that Aļļaah is a body. My name is not fake nether is my emeli poo ai a sesi o okou o fia kalagoa ile mea lea ua ou sau ai , ia saunoa ! Afio mai ma tatala mai ou a’ao i have debated many so called Salafi aka Wahabi before , ive studied almost all of your so called scholars books from Ibn Taymiyya that was jailed for bidda ! Heresy founder of the sky image worshiper and his buckettheory ,lol to bad boy ibn bazz , albani etc nothing to do with Islam ! Imposters ! You are the minority sect in Islam shape shifting worshipers Ya Latiff auothubillilaa , stay away from Samoa ! Do not preech you poisonous creed to my people you people think your impressive debating Christians ?? You dont even know Islam alhul sunna ,

    • Islam says:

      You are nothing but a coward, definitely without any doubt you will go to hell and burn in hell fire forever, if you keep doing what you are doing.
      Apparently, my wife is born Samoan, allhamdullah she converted to Islam years ago with her own wish and desire, and her place is in Jannat [Paradise], inshallah.
      Do research first, don’t jump in conclusion my friend.
      What happening in this world is individuals action, however you in any position to condemn other religion.
      Remember, it’s upon Allah(the almighty God) our creator and sustainer who he accept to be Islam.
      It’s beyond our control.
      Live is very short, find yourself the right path before it’s too late.

    • an says:

      Oh wow… If you do not like islam you do not have to rage on our page over it…
      i respect all other religions and beliefs and i hope you can to @buma lotamama

    • Jannah says:

      In the name of ALLAH (God), The Most Merciful, The Most Kind.

      Buma, ma brotha, before you make any comment about my religion. Please, do not let the public and it’s media guide you. Guide yourself and educate yourself about Islam, even if it’s to understand what Islam really is about. I’m Samoan, born and raise in Samoa, and I promise you. Islam is not what they say it is. But you will only understand about Islam better if you educate yourself and don’t let the public or the media, do it for you. You know nothing about Islam because if you did, your response would’ve been more educated than that. Rather you despise it or not. But again. Do your own research and then you’ll understand better.

      As we all know…”Samoa muamua le Atua” .. In Islam, it’s the same.

    • Extremists or radicals in any religion usually have an agenda quite distinct from the actual teachings of their religion.Surely Jesus Christ did not tell his followers to exterminate jews.Whatever Mr Hitler did was his own initiative.Similarly Mongol tatars invaded and killed millions of muslims.However when mongols came to know about actual teachings of islam i.e.,prayers and true obedience to GOD ALMIGHTY,majority of them became Muslims.

    • Saida Isir says:

      I’m more afraid of men like you than any Muslim man. Actually I feel very safe around and can trust a Muslim man more than any other. The reason why I’m afraid of you is because from what I heard from you, you seem like you think it’s okay to speak bad about Muslims without really knowing what you’re talking about. So you’re quick to judge and speak violently and perhaps act violently whereas most devout Muslim men I know are polite and even when they are in the right they have respect and listen to violent people like you, before speaking back calmly and thoughtfully. And I’ve gotten the utmost respect from Muslim men, than any other as well. That alone caused me to research Islam and now I’m a Muslim Samoan American Woman 🙂 And Prophet Muhammad is God’s Prophet, I love him and follow his morals and I cry for that man. As-Salamu Alaykum Brother.

  2. truthfullhamo says:

    You dont make someone else choice but what they choose is the right path but you have to search for youself coz you`re brain washer from the media n tv etc.. alots of people like you just jump to the judgement but you people dont really do the search whats Islam really is…… oh and dont forget they plants the seeds way before you came along hahaha!!!!!!!! drink some water will give you peace CHEERS!!!!!!!!

  3. Koko samoa says:

    I’m samoan and proud of it ..,but what I see in some Christians in samoa and around the world is ,if god were to give them the biggest test in their life right now weather it were to be life or death they would choose life , why?(1) because they make good money , (2) they saving for a big house that they prayed for and the nice clothes they payed a lot for, and (3) the new car they just brought having being new mag wheels shinny panels etc ,(4) having being successful ,some not all ,happen to think they have the right to override parents rules and our traditions, we do not respect our traditions the way it should be respected ,we have lost on how to live by the ways we were meant to live through rules and protocols of the old ways , which were stricken and passed on to generations before us to this present day , we dream about success and having lots of money to make our families and friends proud of our success and fortunes ,it’s the things we dream and desire that we have gotten wrong ,you become a person that you know ain’t you and that only family and friends would notice this change but yet WE JUST DON’T CARE !! Please don’t go criticising Muslims in samoa about their faith, follow the teachings in the bible and do not place judgement ,i would also want to point out to samoa to those who don’t know that Christianity was introduced by missionaries who happened to be palagis from England ,you take a look at England now ,they don’t care bout god no more ,so open them eyes and pull them walls down and see the truth and the evil that has taken place in every part of our lives ,stop being brained washed samoa ,you guys watch to much t.v that is blinding you from the truth ,media is trickery if you do not understand how it’s messages are delivered ,always open your eyes to how evil is taking place around us in the media ,movies that seem to send messages that once we had thought was taboo in our culture is now tolerated ,why ?? Is the question ,WE JUST DON’T CARE no more ..

  4. Selina Teura says:

    You people commenting are such hypocrites. Before pointing fingers at others for practicing a different religion in Samoa, take a look at YOURSELVES, are you the perfect Christian? Do you follow your religion 100%? No, I didn’t think so. O ia e vaai faalelei kou gaau lae ma fai faalelei kou kakalo ae le o le oso fua fai isi kagaka, typical Samoans honestly.

  5. Filemu moni... says:

    Asalamualaikum Brothers and Sisters.
    Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Raheem. Ole viiga e ona e le Atua mamana. I was very happy when I came across this site. I am looking for other Samoans like myself. I know this is very rare for a Samoan to be Muslim, Allahumdullila. Im from WA my e-mail is nomuraaugust@yahoo.com I would like to meet other Samoan like myself inshaAllah… May God bless and increase us with knowledge and understanding Amen…

    • Don Fretton says:

      Salam waalaykum warahmatulah Uce!
      I stay in melbourne brother, Humdulilah your muslim inshallah we’ll meet sometime, if not il see you in Jannah inshallah 🙂

      • Jannah says:

        Salaamu Aleikum Don,

        Can I have your e-mail please? InshaALLAH. If you’d like to connect with some more of your Samoan brothers and sisters in Islam.

        Amatullah

    • Jannah says:

      Waleikum As Salaam Wa Rahmatullahi Rabarakahtuh (And may the Peace, Mercy and Blessings of Allah (God) swt be with you).

      My name is Amatullah aka Ianeta. I am a Samoan Muslim like yourself. I know 3 other Samoan Muslims that have been longing to start a Muslim online group where we can meet online and possibly come together in person. InshaALLAH (God willing) I will e-mail you and we will go from there. 🙂

      May ALLAH swt continue to guide you and keep you in HIS Grace. Ameen. I hope to hear from you soon.

      Amatullah

  6. I do not leave a response, however I browsed some responses here Islam in Samoa | Islam and Muslims in the Pacific. I do have a couple of questions for you if you tend not to mind. Could it be only me or do some of the comments look as if they are written by brain dead visitors? 😛 And, if you are posting on additional social sites, I’d like to keep up with you. Would you list of all of all your shared pages like your Facebook page, twitter feed, or linkedin profile?

  7. Don Fretton says:

    Salaam waalaykum warahmatulah uso’s !
    talofa lava to all and hope everyone is doing well. First of all I just wanna thank Almighty God for the guidance he’s granted me, my wife and the rest of my uso’s to a beautiful faith that has governed my life, i have stopped drinking, taking drugs and intentionally violently fighting amongst others. I am a revert from Christianity. No Muslim is a Muslim if they do not believe in Jesus (a.s). Every religion is justified by its book but at the end of the day its which book is more authentic. My point is look at yourself before looking at others, start with your faith and gain knowledge about your scriptures if it is really the Word of God before being gullible to false information, stereotyping and sharing it around without even checking it up. Much Aloafa’s to all my uso’s in Islam and Christianity, they are still people from the scriptures and we believe in the same Creator. May Almighty God grant us guidance and knowledge in this deceiving Material World. Ameen.

    • Jannah says:

      MashaALLAH (As GOD wills). Well put my dearest brother. Would love to connect with you and your family InshaALLAH. It’s sweetness to my heart that your wife as well is Muslim. Alhumdulillah (All praises be to GOD).

      Like you, in accepting Islam in my life., it truly showed me what it’s really like to be a Samoan. Islam magnified my love and respect for GOD and for who I am. Alhumdulillah (All praises be to GOD). Islam guided my life so beautifully that like you, I stopped practicing the ways that had no benefit for me and my life and my loved ones lives, like smoking, drinking, gossiping, complaining, etc. And have started practicing humble ways, taught to us by the Prophet Muhammed (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) **Peace be upon him**. Most of what I do in life now, is my strive to Please ALLAH (God) (Subhanahu wa ta’ala) **May He be Glorified and Exalted**

      My dearest Samoan brothers and sisters. All our lives, we were taught by our parents and were raised up by our parents within a religion that was brought to our people by the Europeans. We weren’t Christians before that. We had our own belief as well. Beliefs that we obviously abandoned and for whatever reason, only God himself knows best. We abandoned our belief to embrace the beliefs of those whom governed us. So why is it forbidden now for us to continue to expand our understanding about God and what the true teachings are, that was sent to us by God his self through his Prophets. I believe with all my heart that things happened for a reason and only God knows best. But the fact that we abandoned our ancestors belief to take up a foreign belief (Christianity), shows that God has given us the free will to find our way and to expand our knowledge of Him. Alhumdulillah (All praises be to GOD).

      As a Samoan myself, like you, I love Jesus (a.s.) with all my heart and always will. (God willing) But I don’t believe that he is the son of God. But again, I am not a true Muslim, if I don’t love Jesus. (a.s.). And like most of you who love GOD, the ONE and ONLY. I believe that there is only ONE God and He has no partners, and no begotten son. For we are all sons and daughters; figuratively speaking; (Creations) of God.

      Growing up in Samoa, I was taught the ways of the people, where the women should always be modest in the presence of others, especially men. That we should not be running around with everything hanging out, etc. Well, Islam taught me the same values. For us women (Muslima) in Islam, we are taught by Allah (God) swt through the Prophet Muhammad (saw) that women should always be modest and stay chaste. Protect what they should in the absence of their husbands and take care of her family, especially her children. This is why you see women covering their hair/head (which accents the beauty in their features) and wearing lose clothes, like our mu’umu’us, just with long sleeves, (to keep the shape of their bodies and the softness of their skins from being shown to men). 😀 These are all the same values that I was raised and brought up in Samoa to practice. And so my bond with my religion (Islam) is much stronger than anything. 🙂 Allahu Akbar (God is Great).

      But that is just the smallest part of the Beauty of Islam. 😀

      Thank you for allowing me to share just that much. May GOD continue to guide us all on the right path. Ameen. May HE bless all of you my brothers and sisters and your families. Ameen.

      Ia tumau pea le alofa o le Atua ia’i tatou uma. Ma ia alofa pea le Atua ma ta’ita’i tatou i ona ala, ae aua le tu’u seseina i tatou ise ala ese. Amene. Ia vi’ia le Atua i lona agalelei ma ona fa’amanuiaga, mo ‘i tatou ma o tatou aiga. Amene.

      Love Always
      Amatullah

  8. aurora says:

    i am samoan i am 16 and my family is from faleniu america samoa. im not an official convert to islam but i consider my self a muslim i am a faafafine and it is part of culture but i wanted some of your opinions i have never had sex before i plan to have a sex change so i can live the rest of my life as a normal muslimah i just wanted some feed back from other muslims thank you! alhamdulillah

    • Don Fretton says:

      I would first off begin my greetings with saying salam waalaykum(Peace and blessings be upon you) and congratulate you on your consideration with being a muslim which is the most beautiful religion in the world 🙂
      talofa uce! im really happy with your path you wish to take bro, if i was with you id embrace you with a hug welcoming you to islam even though you feel as if you are not officially a muslim but Allah knows best of whats in your heart. In Islam brother regardless if you are a faafaine or not you are still considered a brother/sister in humanity/Islam because we all came from Almighty God and will return to Him. Dont ever let anyone discourage you for who you are and keep your head up high and remember if you ever feel lonely, you dont only have your own uso’s but you have over 1.5 billion uso’s in the world + Almighty God. Even though Islam prohibits homosexual acts, not only cos it is bad but it is also dangerous physically, mentally and spiritually based on the teachings of the Holy Qur’an and Sunnah(Ways of the Prophet) because God created us and loves us so much that He knows what is best for his creation. Homosexuality clashes with the “natural” order in which God created human beings, it brings destruction of the family and the institutions of marriage and it leads people to ignore God’s guidance in other areas of life and worse, one of the punishments of this act is AIDS. The Qur’an shares stories which are meant to teach people valuable lessons. The Qur’an tells the story of the people of Lut (Lot), which is similar to the story as shared in the Old Testament of the Bible. We learn of an entire nation which was destroyed by God due to their sexual behavior, which included homosexuality. My dear uso, im not saying by these sources you are a bad person but what your intentions are about the future could lead to bad mistakes and as a samoan uso im just sharing with you knowledge from the teachings of Almighty God, im not trying to discourage or force this upon but just helping and caring for you. May Allah grant you guidance, mercy & strength on this journey and forgive you for any of the sins you have committed, remember i not only want to be your friend in this life but the next and that is coming from the Islam inside of me. Peace and blessings be upon uce and i hope this comment has helped with what you are seeking. Tofa!

      • Jannah says:

        Allahu Akbar. (All praises be to ALLAH) swt.

        Well said MashaALLAH. There is so much understanding that is so clear and humble. We are left with nothing but Belief in our hearts. Every struggle that we go through in life, Allah (swt) has brought before that struggle, the solution. It was here before we got here. All praises be to Allah.

        My dearest Don, you have so much understanding with you that I would really love to connect with you on ways to do D’awah with our brothers and sisters. MashaALLAH, your response to our uso, was well put, well explained.

        My dearest Aurora, may ALLAH swt help you find your way. Ameen. May HE guide you ever close to him. Ameen.

    • dear aurora, thank you for your intension . do u know about islam? r u male or female? what ur profession? pls let me know about u pls.
      mizan
      bangladesh

  9. aurora says:

    fa’afetai & wa aleikum salam i am not homosexual XD i am mukhannathun i feel like a woman but i would never commit sodomy alhamdulillah but i thank you very much for your warm greetings!

  10. Rasheed Fui says:

    Salam Alaikum, Talofa Lava, I am very surprised that there are Muslims of the Samoan Community. I myself am Samoan and yet to meet another brother or sister who is Samoan. Not that it matters as we are the followers of Mustafa and our Country is Islam. But Alhamdulillah for Guidance. May Allah keep us firm upon His Straight Path. I advise you brothers and sisters who are reverts such as myself to becareful in matters of our religion and who we take our religion from.

    • Jannah says:

      Waleikum As Salaam Wa Rahmatullahi Rabarakahtuh. Yes indeed. Thank you for the advice my dearest brother. The beauty of the Knowledge of Islam is that it is very clear and even if you end up taking up the wrong information, some how Allah swt helps you filter this information out along the way. But yes, very good advice. There are so many misguided information online that we must be very careful of whom we take from. When we do expand our knowledge of something through research, you have to gather more than one opinion and look through them. 🙂 There are books that has been passed down and have been confirmed by hundreds of scholars about their legitimacy.

      Jazak Allahum Khair (May ALLAH swt bless you with good) my dearest Rasheed.

    • Mohammed Ali says:

      If you require Free Islamic Literature at no cost kindly please provide your postal address and we shall post a set of books about Islam adhering to Ahlus Sunna beliefs.
      Please find us on http://www.facebook.com/Sunni Muslims Fiji and message us your postal address.

  11. an says:

    Oh wow… If you do not like islam you do not have to rage on our page over it…
    i respect all other religions and beliefs and i hope you can to @buma lotamama

  12. Jannah says:

    I am proud to be Samoan.

    I love my people so much because they are so humble and so graceful. Please take my advice. Even if you don’t want to embrace Islam. I think that it is a good thing to know why others think that Islam is a Religion of Peace when the media says otherwise. And I think that, just for your understanding and having a better view of what Islam is, I ask my people to read about it.
    Do your research, if you need my help, please message me. 🙂 I would love to help you. But please, before you attack a religion that did nothing to harm you, learn more about it.

    Thank you and God Bless.

    • Jannah says:

      Oh, and lastly, for all the Samoan Muslims that come across this. Please, my brothers and sisters here in Washington State, wants to connect with all of you. Please message me your e-mail address or your facebook profile so we may all connect. 🙂 InshaALLAH.

      As Salaamu Aleikum Wa Rahmatullahi Rabarakahtuh (May the Peace, Mercy and Blessings of Allah swt be with you).

  13. d.f says:

    @Papalii
    I let the people of knowledge speak for Jesus the Messiah and the message that he came to preach and teach aswell as all the messangers that God Almighty sent to this world from Adam all through to Muhammad with clear authentic proof and evidences not from the noble quran, but from your own biblical scriptures because telling you from me isn’t sufficient enough to help you understand because alot of people who blindly follow their belief really follow thier desires which either means you are open minded and yet don’t understand why God Almighty sent these messangers and the message they were spreading or you understand but are to arrogant to believe and rather follow your own ignorance. Be open minded & open hearted brother, do your research if your love for jesus is genuine and sincere and please remove the ignorance from your heart if your love for Jesus the Messiah is true. Kind regards.

  14. d.f says:

    @Papalii

    This should be enough for you and anyone else who opposes the message, the real message that jesus came with and left with and will return with to remind us what really our purpose of life here was on earth. This should be enough for you to ponder and investigate, your faith and the path you have chosen to follow, this should be enough. I leave this arguement in kind regards and hope guidance and blessings to you and everyone else who open their heart and mind to others belief in search for the TRUTH.

    Gospel of John 8:32 – “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free”
    God bless brother.

    • Papalii says:

      and the Truth is in the same Gospel d.f it’s in John 14:6. Thank you for posting the videos and i have seen some of them already before you posted but… it is still non convincing as most of them have refrences and scripture taken out of context. please do your research on Christ. may i suggest the book ‘The case for Christ by Lee Strobel’ which is written by someone who was an athiest trying to prove that there was no God. Read it with an open mind with an objective view, and not one that stills see’s it from a biased point of view that the koran is the word of God and nothing else is.
      it’s not the faith in the book but faith in the most authentic peice of literature that leads to the best possible conclusuion, for it was Jesus Christ claiming to be who is: GOD himself.
      one way or another we will find out on the day of Judgement and only one will be RIGHT.
      God Bless uso. much alofa and i do mean it.

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  16. d.f says:

    Salam waalaykum warahmatulahi
    Inshallah trying to organise to keep in contact with the samaon brothers who are keen to meet other polynesian muslims out there, please email me so we can make effort.
    my email is d.fretton@live.com.au
    please dont hesitate to get in contact, everything is for Atua.
    fafetai e le Atua, all praises be to He the lord of all the worlds.
    Till then inshallah.

  17. Diane Choi says:

    can i have your phone number and e-mail address? i want to contact president of Samoa Muslim League.

  18. antonio says:

    I prefer the samoan tattoo to muslims samoans.

  19. Tama Samoa says:

    I’m sorry but you won’t understand the Fa’a Samoa or the Samoan way of life till you live like one. Our culture is about peace and prosperity and we also have a spiritual association to our land. Your religion will never be accepted by all Samoans. We value family, equality for all and respect and love for each other. When Christianity was introduced hundreds of years a go, it was deemed well suited to our existing culture. It was once said by an ancient traditional God that one day a new God was going to bring peace to our land. This occurred and our islands have been at peace ever since. You may try to convert us but we were founded on our God on Christian values. As our national motto states “Fa’avae Le Atua Samoa”, which means, “God Bless Samoa”.

  20. D.F says:

    Tama Samoa, with all respect from a samoan brother you need to seperate your patriotism and faith and choose God over any aspect in life. I know samoan brothers who even disagree on the mixing of culture and religion and they themselves are non-muslims. Samoans love eating pork, its our culture but bible tells you not to.
    Deuteronomy 14:8 “And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase”
    Leviticus 11:7 “And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.”
    Samoans love to drink alcahol and get drunk because it helps us to have fun, dont deny the causal drink ups with the aiga:
    Ephesians 5:18 ” And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit”
    Samoans have accustomed to indulging in interest, cars, house mortgages, material entertainment etc: Deuteronomy 23:19 “Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury”
    Christian values your neglecting brother.
    Too many samoans/polynesians dont even understand their own faith blind following their religion because of their parents and yet walk and talk to church as if Samoa is Christianity and Christianity is Samoa. Regardless if a person doesnt live like a samoan or not it doesnt prove anything about having no knowledge about Fa’a Samoa or the Samoan way of life, if a samoan doesnt live like a samoan does it mean he doesnt know his own culture? Many samoans have a inclination of their culture just like every human has a inclination of knowing that our lord exists but refuse to acknowledge he’s there such as atheist’s. Samoa wasn’t built on any religion, our culture has it’s own agenda and methods far from the christians. I’m embarassed you claim to think our culture has an ancient traditional God because from the beginning till up to the current affair there is only One Atua, One lord in control of all that exists. So which Lord have our people been worshipping? ancient God’s? Man-God’s? I swear its nothing but blasphemous speech your spreading and i advise you to study abit more not about your way of life, but your innovations that your spreading. Reflect upon your actions and ponder, take heed of your beliefs and acknowldge the One who created you from a single drop of sperm. With all respect brother.
    Peace to you and your family.

  21. Tama Samoa says:

    Thank you for taking your time D.F to respond to my comment. I apologise if what I said embarrasses you but it’s what I know and what I’ve been taught or shown by older generations when I lived in Samoa as a child. It’s my belief just as much as what you said above is your belief and understanding. Peace to you my muslim brother.

  22. Rasheed Fui says:

    And when it is said to them, “Follow what Allah has revealed,” they say, “Rather, we will follow that which we found our fathers doing.” Even though their fathers understood nothing, nor were they guided?

    Surat Al-Baqarah 2:170

    Ramadan Mubarak Brothers & Sisters from Sydney Australia

  23. Mohammed Ali says:

    Assalam alaikum
    Those brothers and sisters who are interested to learn about Islam and who are Samoans, kindly join the FB group -www.facebook.com/Sunni Muslims Fiji and provide us in with your postal address and In sha Allah we shall make arrangements for to set of Islamic Books to be posted at no cost. You do not pay a since cent at all.
    You can also send addresses of friends and relatives who may be interested to learn about Islam.

    Jazak Allah

  24. It is anyones choice. Do Islams provide scholarships? Check out Scholarship information for Samoa here. Do you have any category for Education News in Samoa? I searched your website and could not find one . We are trying to update Scholarships for Samoa on your online news website.

  25. Victoria Hands says:

    WE dont want this CULT in Samoa. there will come a time where I will become a Prime Minister of Samoa and I will forbid Islam from practicing in any part of Samoa.

    • Des says:

      if there is no Muslim in Samoa Samoa will be finish by now

      • Lisa says:

        Des, that is a ridiculous statement considering that islam is very much a minority religion in Samoa. I grew up with muslims and was repulsed by their constant leering and chauvinistic attitudes. The worst experience was when a muslim neighbour tried to sexually assault me one day. My parents had been nice to his family by giving them free fruit and vegetables (we used to get boxes of fresh produce from Dad’s workplace), inviting them to our family celebrations and we all went to school together until we were 13. Thankfully, my rather ‘large’ brother who was napping inside the house heard the commotion and dealt to him. I never pressed charges as my brother was a little over-zealous in doling out his punishment, and the offender never reported him I believe out of embarrassment for what he attempted to do. We could not tell our parents as my father may have ended up doing something we would all regret.
        I remember reading something about the rewards in heaven for Muslims, but it indicated that it was only for the males having a multitude of mansions, houses, and virgins. Is this the same reward for Muslim women as well? Or are they relegated to cleaning the sullied bed-sheets of their husbands, brothers and fathers in ‘heaven’ as they exhaust their carnal desires with these virgins? Yes I am Samoan, and yes I am a faithful Christian but no I will not teach my beautiful daughter that islam is a peaceful, loving religion but I do not believe it is so. Yes your religion is shown in a negative light in the media but that is only because it is true. The conflict in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, India, Indonesia, Pakistan et al cannot be some ‘global conspiracy’ – it’s just a reflection of your faith and it’s truest desires/values. Can you please correct me if any of these countries are actually Christians causing the death of thousands upon thousands of men, women and children (predominantly muslim as well which is even sadder). No, I will not put my child in harm’s way by teaching her that islam is a wonderful or even the right religion. I will explain that there are good people in this world and bad people, just as there are good religions in this world and bad ones. Islam is a BAD one with a history of human rights violations against women. God forbid she should ever convert to Islam and become some animal’s plaything/slave. The Christian God is the only true God, and I hope he can forgive my less than friendly approach to the islam faith but I am a strong campaigner against islam spreading like the disease that it is.

  26. Rasheed Fui says:

    Surah Al-Ma’idah 116 – 120

    116: And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Ressurection): “O ‘Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say to men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?'” He will say: “Glorified are You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You , are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen).
    117: “Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: ‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world).
    118:”If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, verily You, Only You, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.”
    119: Allah will say: “This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise) – they shall abide therein forever. Allah is pleased with them and they with Him. That is the great success (Paradise).
    120: To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein, and He is Able to do all things.

  27. Ruta says:

    ASALAMUALAIKUM I’m planning on taking my family to Samoa this year in shaa Allah and I wanted to visit the mosque there does anyone know what village it’s in?im abit nervous returning oz now I’m wearing hijab and don’t know the reaction of the samoan people but in shaa Allah it’ll all go well jazarkallah kheir

  28. Max Jones says:

    Greetings and God’s blessings to you all, I am not a Muslim but I do have Muslim friends that I love and respect a lot. I am a Christian that loves God supremely and I am a fundamental follower of the written word. I love all people and I love to learn about other people’s culture and religion. I have a deep interest in studying history, cultures and religions. In having to do my personal study in looking into Islam, I had come a cross something that had somewhat disturbed me. Please don’t take what I’m about to say the wrong way by thinking I am taking a stab at Muslims or criticising you all, but I’m just trying to understand how as Muslims you would view how the Prophet Mohammad married a girl at the age of six and had consummated the marriage (had sexual intercourse) when Aisha was just 9 years old? Please don’t get offended, I’m not being derogatory or slanderous but am sincerely just wanting to see a Muslim’s point of view of how they could see this or justify it in their own minds? This is one question that I had always wanted to ask a Muslim but was afraid that I may offend them. My Muslim brothers and sisters, I’m writing not to argue with any of you but am one that is sincere about being enlightened ok. So if any of you are willing to dialogue, I am all ears ready to listen. To all of you God’s people, much love and blessings. Maranatha……….. Max Jones

    • Rasheed Fui says:

      The Prophet is more knowledgable than us and you.

      What is the state of your woman today!?

      Strange statistics show that there are no virgin girls in secondary schools at all. At all, this is their statistics.

      We put this issue forward to the specialist doctors and ask does the early marriage harm a girl who reached the age of puberty or not? Let’s see what the doctors say. It is something very normal.

      When the girl reaches puberty and marries, this does not harm her at all even if she was 9 years old. It does not harm her in any way.

      [Note] * Even though he was labelled a liar, magician, crazy, bewitched and other vile nicknames by his enemies, Not ONE from the Quraish, the leaders of Rome, Persia or from any neighbouring country or city criticised him for his Marriage to Aisha at the Age of 9.

      * In the UK, the age of sexual consent for women has been set at 16 since 1885, from the initial age of 12 and to marry, Peruvian girls need only be older than 12 and boys older than 14, according to the global police body Interpol’s website.

      * In 1880, the Age of Consent in Russia, California, New Mexico and many of other place was 10 [Delinquent Daughters: Policing and Protecting Adolescent Female Sexuality in the United States 1885-1920]

      ONLY A FOOL COMPARES THE CULTURAL NORMS OF 1880 TO THE ONES WE HAVE IN 2014

      • Abdul-Kareem says:

        Subhan’Allah
        brother Rasheed you beat me to it lol May Allah shower his blessings and his mercy, may He keep you protected and steadfast upon the truth ameen.

  29. Max Jones says:

    @Rasheed Fui, thank you so much for taking the time to respond and to give me information that you may have found on the internet?

    Ok brother, let’s just put aside the comparison of the ‘Cultural Norms’ regarding the marriage practices of peoples and cultures through out history. For what I’m bringing to you is for us as human beings to really look and to weight things up according to what we may see as morally right or wrong? Meaning, can we both come to an agreement in perceiving that a thing that has been done, is either good or bad, righteous or wicked?

    Ok, let me begin by just putting before you that you as a Muslim look up to the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ as the ‘epitome’ of what it means to be a perfect human being or he is the absolute standard for all ‘humanity’, is that right?

    Brother Rasheed, I perceive that you are a staunch Muslim who practices right to the letter of every principle of the ‘Koran’ and you not only look, but you also follow and copy the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ in all that he does.

    Now, if I may ask you a question and I hope you do not get offended. “Would you as a follower of ‘Islam’ do as what the ‘Prophet’ has done to marry a ‘six’ year old girl and then consummate the marriage (have sexual intercourse) with her when she is only ‘nine’ years of age?

    “Would you do this yourself brother?”

    If you cannot answer this question, then I would ask another. “Would you as a follower of ‘Islam’ allow your ‘daughter’, ‘sister’ or ‘niece’ who is six years of age marry a man who is 50 years old knowing that he is going to have ‘sexual intercourse’ with her when she is just ‘nine’ years old?

    “Would you give her away in marriage at that age?”

    Brother, I ask you these questions because I want to know whether or not you see that there is something morally wrong with what the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ has done?

    For I myself cannot justify it in my own mind or have any excuses for it, but only to call this very act, ‘morally wrong’ or even ‘wicked’!

    And if I may share with what the ‘Lord and Saviour’ ‘Yeshua’ (Jesus/Issa) would say about this in His Holy Word, He has said “But whoever shall offend or ‘cause to stumble’ one of these little ones who believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Matthew 18:6”

    My brother, can you see and agree with me, that ‘Yeshua’ (Jesus/Issa) condemns all ‘morally wrongful’ act done against any child? Better yet, can you see and agree with me, that we can be confidently say that ‘Jehovah’ (God) condemns this ‘morally wrongful’ act of having ‘sexual intercourse’ with children?

    Brother, like I said in my previous blog, I’m not trying to be derogatory or slanderous, but it is ‘Jehovah’ (God) that condemns this wrongful act that the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ has done. And in turn, it is ‘Jehovah’ (God) that condemns the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ as it is stated in the Holy Book that “it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea’ or ‘that it’d be better off if was he was put to death’.

    And now, I ask you the final question. Can you truly and honestly say that the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ was righteous or good in having to marry a six year old girl and then have ‘sexual intercourse’ with her when she was not even mature enough to understand or comprehend what he was physically doing to her?

    “Can you truly and honestly say that the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ was righteous or good?”

    My brother, in all out sincerity and genuineness, I write to you with all the love and respect as a believer and follower of God. May the Lord God creator of this world lead us all unto absolute truth.

    For now my brother, here I patiently wait for your response.

    To all of you God’s people, much love and blessings. Maranatha….. Max Jones

    • Zeesh says:

      Hi friends
      Please note that the age of 9 years when Aisha moved in MHAMMAD house in itself is not proven. The research indicate that she did not moved in Prophets house at age 9 rather she moved in at age 19. Please below.

      To facilitate understanding dates of these events, please note that it was in the tenth year of the Call, i.e. the tenth year after the Holy Prophet Muhammad received his calling from God to his mission of prophethood, that his wife Khadija passed away, and the approach was made to Abu Bakr for the hand of his daughter Aisha. The hijra or emigration of the Holy Prophet to Madina took place three years later, and Aisha came to the household of the Holy Prophet in the second year after hijra. So if Aisha was born in the year of the Call, she would be ten years old at the time of the nikah and fifteen years old at the time of the consummation of the marriage.

      Research subsequent to the time of Maulana Muhammad Ali has shown that she was older than this. An excellent short work presenting such evidence is the Urdu pamphlet Rukhsati kai waqt Sayyida Aisha Siddiqa ki umar (‘The age of Lady Aisha at the time of the start of her married life’) by Abu Tahir Irfani.[4a] Points 1 to 3 below have been brought to light in this pamphlet.

      1. The famous classical historian of Islam, Ibn Jarir Tabari, wrote in his ‘History’:

      “In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of Abdul Uzza, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom Abdur Rahman and Aisha were born. These four were born before Islam.” [5]

      Being born before Islam means being born before the Call.

      2. The compiler of the famous Hadith collection Mishkat al-Masabih, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, who died 700 years ago, has also written brief biographical notes on the narrators of Hadith reports. He writes under Asma, the older daughter of Abu Bakr:

      “She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa, wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her. … In 73 A.H. … Asma died at the age of one hundred years.” [6]

      (Go here to see an image of the full entry in Urdu.)

      This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.

      3. The same statement is made by the famous classical commentator of the Holy Quran, Ibn Kathir, in his book Al-bidayya wal-nihaya:

      “Asma died in 73 A.H. at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister Aisha.” [7]

      Apart from these three evidences, which are presented in the Urdu pamphlet referred to above, we also note that the birth of Aisha being a little before the Call is consistent with the opening words of a statement by her which is recorded four times in Bukhari. Those words are as follows:

      “Ever since I can remember (or understand things) my parents were following the religion of Islam.” [8]

      This is tantamount to saying that she was born sometime before her parents accepted Islam but she can only remember them practising Islam. No doubt she and her parents knew well whether she was born before or after they accepted Islam, as their acceptance of Islam was such a landmark event in their life which took place just after the Holy Prophet received his mission from God. If she had been born after they accepted Islam it would make no sense for her to say that she always remembered them as following Islam. Only if she was born before they accepted Islam, would it make sense for her to say that she can only remember them being Muslims, as she was too young to remember things before their conversion. This is consistent with her being born before the Call, and being perhaps four or five years old at the time of the Call, which was also almost the time when her parents accepted Islam.

      Two further evidences cited by Maulana Muhammad Ali

      In the footnotes of his Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari, entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, Maulana Muhammad Ali had pointed out reports of two events which show that Aisha could not have been born later than the year of the Call. These are as follows.

      1. The above mentioned statement by Aisha in Bukhari, about her earliest memory of her parents being that they were followers of Islam, begins with the following words in its version in Bukhari’s Kitab-ul-Kafalat. We quote this from the English translation of Bukhari by M. Muhsin Khan:

      “Since I reached the age when I could remember things, I have seen my parents worshipping according to the right faith of Islam. Not a single day passed but Allah’s Apostle visited us both in the morning and in the evening. When the Muslims were persecuted, Abu Bakr set out for Ethiopia as an emigrant.” [9]

      Commenting on this report, Maulana Muhammad Ali writes:

      “This report sheds some light on the question of the age of Aisha. … The mention of the persecution of Muslims along with the emigration to Ethiopia clearly shows that this refers to the fifth or the sixth year of the Call. … At that time Aisha was of an age to discern things, and so her birth could not have been later than the first year of the Call.” [10]

      Again, this would make her more than fourteen at the time of the consummation of her marriage.

      2. There is a report in Sahih Bukhari as follows:

      “On the day (of the battle) of Uhud when (some) people retreated and left the Prophet, I saw Aisha daughter of Abu Bakr and Umm Sulaim, with their robes tucked up so that the bangles around their ankles were visible hurrying with their water skins (in another narration it is said, ‘carrying the water skins on their backs’). Then they would pour the water in the mouths of the people, and return to fill the water skins again and came back again to pour water in the mouths of the people.” [11]

      Maulana Muhammad Ali writes in a footnote under this report:

      “It should also be noted that Aisha joined the Holy Prophet’s household only one year before the battle of Uhud. According to the common view she would be only ten years of age at this time, which is certainly not a suitable age for the work she did on this occasion. This also shows that she was not so young at this time.” [12]

      If, as shown in the previous section above, Aisha was nineteen at the time of the consummation of her marriage, then she would be twenty years old at the time of the battle of Uhud. It may be added that on the earlier occasion of the battle of Badr when some Muslim youths tried, out of eagerness, to go along with the Muslim army to the field of battle, the Holy Prophet Muhammad sent them back on account of their young age (allowing only one such youngster, Umair ibn Abi Waqqas, to accompany his older brother the famous Companion Sa‘d ibn Abi Waqqas). It seems, therefore, highly unlikely that if Aisha was ten years old the Holy Prophet would have allowed her to accompany the army to the field of battle.

      We conclude from all the evidence cited above that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was nineteen years old when she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife in the year 2 A.H., the nikah or betrothal having taken place five years previously.

  30. Max Jones says:

    @Rasheed Fui,

    Thank you so much for taking the time to respond and to give me information that you may have found on the internet?

    Ok brother, let’s just put aside the comparison of the ‘Cultural Norms’ regarding the marriage practices of peoples and cultures through out history. For what I’m bringing to you is for us as human beings to really look and to weight things up according to what we may see as morally right or wrong? Meaning, can we both come to an agreement in perceiving that a thing that has been done is either good or bad, righteous or wicked?

    Ok, let me begin by just putting before you that you as a Muslim look up to the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ as the ‘epitome’ of what it means to be a perfect human being or he is the absolute standard for all ‘humanity’, is that right?

    Brother Rasheed, I perceive that you are a staunch Muslim who practices right to the letter of every principle of the ‘Koran’ and you not only look, but you also follow and copy the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ in all that he does.

    Now, if I may ask you a question and I hope you do not get offended. “Would you as a follower of ‘Islam’ do as what the ‘Prophet’ has done to marry a ‘six’ year old girl and then consummate the marriage (have sexual intercourse) with her when she is only ‘nine’ years of age?

    “Would you do this yourself brother?”

    If you cannot answer this question, then I would ask another. “Would you as a follower of ‘Islam’ allow your ‘daughter’, ‘sister’ or ‘niece’ who is six years of age marry a man who is 50 years old knowing that he is going to have ‘sexual intercourse’ with her when she is just ‘nine’ years old?

    “Would you give her away in marriage at that age?”

    Brother, I ask you these questions because I want to know whether or not you see that there is something morally wrong with what the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ has done?

    For I myself cannot justify it in my own mind or have any excuses for it, but only to call this very act, ‘morally wrong’ or even ‘wicked’!

    And if I may share with what the ‘Lord and Saviour’ ‘Yeshua’ (Jesus/Issa) would say about this in His Holy Word, He has said “But whoever shall offend or ‘cause to stumble’ one of these little ones who believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Matthew 18:6”

    My brother, can you see and agree with me, that ‘Yeshua’ (Jesus/Issa) condemns all ‘morally wrongful’ act done against any child? Better yet, can you see and agree with me, that we can confidently say that ‘Jehovah’ (God) condemns this ‘morally wrongful’ act of having ‘sexual intercourse’ with children?

    Brother, like I said in my previous blog, I’m not trying to be derogatory or slanderous. But it is ‘Jehovah’ (God) that condemns this wrongful act that the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ has committed. And in turn, it is ‘Jehovah’ (God) that condemns the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ as it is stated in the Holy Book that “it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depths of the sea’ or ‘that it’d be better off if was he was put to death’.

    And now, I ask you the final question. Can you truly and honestly say that the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ was righteous or good in having to marry a six year old girl and then have ‘sexual intercourse’ with her when she was not even mature enough to understand or comprehend what he was physically doing to her?

    “Can you truly and honestly say that the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ was righteous or good?”

    My brother, in all out sincerity and genuineness, I write to you with all the love and respect as a believer and follower of God. May the Lord God creator of this world lead us all unto absolute truth.

    For now my brother, here I patiently wait for your response.

    To all of you God’s people, much love and blessings. Maranatha….. Max Jones

    • Rasheed Fui says:

      Well thank you Max, that was very interesting…

      First – When you started, you started with one question to which I answered, Easy, simple.

      Second – Now you’ve come with your reply, which involves multiple questions & points that’s all over the place. What I’m trying to say is it would take a whole lot of space to answer your questions and go through your points.

      So… I’m not saying I’m not gonna answer or avoid this, rather I welcome this debate ON the condition that we go through 1 question at a time (sticking to the subject) until we come to an agreement/disagreement then we move on question 2, 3, 4…

      Also Criteria, it’s important cause it seems you’ve just pushed a side a key factor to the debate, there’s also social, political…

      And you’ve just stuck to “Morality” based on

      Quote: “according to what we may see as morally right or wrong?”

      This cannot be cause everyone in the whole world has their own set of morals. And what is right to me can be wrong to who ever or vice versa. (Morals itself is a different subject all together)

      Finally – As for where I derive my source of information from is not the concern at hand Max because you came here asking about the Prophets Marriage not Internet Information. If that’s the case then I would easily say that your information derived from your book is unacceptable due to it being full of error & corruption. (But once again that’s a different topic all together, stick to the SUBJECT)

      So with all due respect Max, God Willing, Please Proceed.

      Rasheed Fui As-Samoa.

  31. Rasheed Fui says:

    @ Abdul Kareem

    Barakallahu Feeka ya Akhi, like wise unto you.

  32. Max Jones says:

    @Rasheed Fui,

    I’m so sorry, I thought that what I had wrote was simple to understand and straight to the point.
    Hey, didn’t I stick to the subject by bringing up valid points and questions that had to do with the ‘Prophet’s’ marriage to a pre-pubescent girl?

    If you can re-read my first and second comment. I did only bring up the same concern regarding how a ‘Muslim’ could justify the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ marrying and having sexual intercourse with a pre-pubescent girl who was not physically and mentally mature enough to understand what he was doing to her. (Again, let me reiterate that I am not being slanderous or derogatory about what I just said but am describing the very act).

    Now, with regards to the point of ‘Morality’. You say that ‘morality’ is relative and that it all depends from one person to the next? Hey, I thought that we were believing in the same ‘GOD’ who is omnipotent(All-Knowing) and by this attribute wouldn’t it clearly imply that He would be absolute in all things? Meaning, that there has to be a standard or an ‘absolute’ point to everything including ‘Morality’!

    So brother Rasheed, I would have to respectfully disagree on your point about ‘morality’ being ‘relative’ because through the holy ‘Ten Commandments’, ‘God’ has given the absolute standard of ‘morality’. For ‘God’ is absolute in everything and ‘He’ expects all people including the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ to abide by His standards of ‘morality’ through the ‘Commandments’.

    There is no excuse for any ‘SIN’ my brother.

    Now as a Muslim, how then can you say “that ‘morality’ is ‘relative’ and it depends on how one person sees it?”. Doesn’t your religion profess that all ‘Muslims’ are part of God’s people who by expectation should be abiding by His standard set of ‘morals’ known as the ‘Ten Commandments’? Or does your religion have ‘specific’ people exempt from keeping God’s ‘Laws’?

    Ok, you have said that ‘morality’ is another subject all together, but brushing that aside we will fail to address the real issue at hand. I know you had tried to explain or justify the ‘Prophets’ marriage on the grounds of acceptable ‘Cultural Norms’ for that period of time. But with the validity of the ‘Ten Commandments’ as an absolute standard of ‘morality’, your point on justifying the ‘Prophets’ marriage on the grounds of acceptable ‘Cultural Norms’ cannot and will not stand at all. For the simple reason that all people including the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ are subject to God’s standard of ‘morality’ through the ‘Ten Commandments’.

    Can you see my point?

    Now, in abiding by your set requirement of asking ‘one question at a time’. I will ask you the first question again and I would only expect for you to answer this one question for this time.

    Ok, here I go with question number one:

    On the grounds of you being a ‘Muslim’ who looks up to the ‘Prophet Mohammad’ in seeing him as the ‘epitome’ of what it means to be a perfect human being and as the absolute standard for all ‘humanity’;

    “Would you as a follower of ‘Islam’ do as what the ‘Prophet’ has done to marry a ‘six’ year old girl and then consummate the marriage (have sexual intercourse) with her when she is only ‘nine’ years of age?

    “Would you do this yourself brother?”

    • Rasheed Fui says:

      Now would I myself marry a six year old then consummate the marriage when she is 9 just as the Prophet (SAW) did?

      As Muslims we follow the Revelation of Allah (the Quran) & the Example of His Messenger (the Sunnah) with the Methodology of the Pious Predecessors (Manhaj As-Salaf). Now the question is do I follow the Prophet (SAW) in this specific case (as he did)? When the question should actually be “is it upon me to do so?” Even more “is it upon us to follow everything the Prophet did?” The answer is no. Because NOT everything the Prophet did is obligatory or legislated upon us. Not everything is a Sunnah. For example the Prophet had 9 wives. But how many are we allowed. The answer is up to 4 (if you are able to). So you see, there are things that Prophet did which is only permissible for the Prophet & not upon Us all as Muslims, likewise there are certain rulings that are allowed for the general Muslims but not permitted for the Prophet. So the answer to your question is… NO it is not upon us to marry a 6 year old & consummate the marriage at 9 “As the Prophet did”. Finished.

      And in regards to Morality then no I did not say morality’ is relative and that it all depends from one person to the next. I said YOU cannot base it on what YOU said and YOU said ” For what I’m bringing to you is for us as human beings to really look and to weight things up according to what we may see as morally right or wrong?”. “According to what WE may see” which is wrong because we are humans and as humans we see things our own way. That is meaning you CANNOT base it on what HUMANS THINK. It doesn’t mean I said Muslims think Morality is relative and depends on how one sees it as you’ve twisted it. And to clarify this whole moral issue I’ve already stated our belief as Muslims. We believe in the Revelation of Allah the application of this Revelation by the example of His Messenger with the understanding of his Companions. These are our Morals & Standards.

      Also to clear up other statements or claims you’ve made.

      1) Aisha was not pre-pubescent at the time of consent & What is certain is that he did reach her puberty and she was very happy in her marriage. If you compile all the authentic narrations from her you will not see a more devout wife who loved the Prophet And as I’ve already explained, When the girl reaches puberty and marries, this does not harm her at all even if she was 9 years old. It does not harm her in any way. And the MOST obvious fact is that he married her at 6 & consummated the marriage at 9. He waited 3 YEARS. If the case was “pre-pubescent” then there would be no reason to wait 3 years and he would have just got married and consummated the marriage at 6.

      Note: when a girl reached puberty prior to the 20th century, she was considered to be an adult in most cultures/societies.

      Marriage back then was not based on age but it was based on puberty & if you reached puberty you were physically fit for marriage.

      Even the Jews, the Romans, Christians of Past Times, different Cultures & Societies of Different Religions, Races ALL did this & their agenda is far from the view you hold.

      2) We do not worship or believe in the same God. You believe Yeshua (Jesus/Issa) is your God. While as Muslims we believe In La ilaha illallah – There is no deity but Allah. & as Muslims we believe Allah is the Creator of all existence. It is Allah who created Issa (Peace be upon him) from a single word from Him

      “Verily, the likeness of ‘Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: “Be!” – and he was.” (3:59)

      “She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.” He said: “So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!” and it is.” (3:47)

      And Issa (Jesus) was also a (Muslim) Believer/Worshipper in Allah and he (Issa) said

      “Truly! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path.” (3:51)

      This is the belief of ALL the Prophets from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus & Muhammed ect & they are ALL Messengers & Slaves of Allah who Worshipped Allah Alone, Not Ascribing Partners to Allah (Allah + This + That) or Ascribing Allah to His Creation (Worshipping Men or a Tree, Statue, Animals, Sun & Planets, Angels – Anything Created) & this was their message they came with to Mankind to Worship NONE but Allah & they are ALL Muslims. Because a Muslim worships Allah Alone.

      3) As for the 10 Commandments, (Im guessing you brought it from the First Testament in the Bible) this is from the book of the Jews (The Torah) revealed to the Prophet Musa (Peace be upon him)

      And (remember) when We gave Musa (Moses) the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah)] and the criterion (of right and wrong) so that you may be guided aright. (2:53)

      then Prophet Issa (Peace be upon him) was given the Gospel (The Injeel) confirming what came before him

      And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me. (3:50)

      And then the Seal of All the Prophets (Muhammed SAW), was given the Quran confirming both

      It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Quran) to you (Muhammad SAW) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (3:3)

      So as you can see the Book you have (Revelation/Laws), first of all it’s authenticity is questionable due to the fact it’s been corrupted by man. Second, even if you had the Original Scripture it would be invalid, outdated & expired because Mankind has/had to follow the latest/recent Prophet with the book they are/were given & the Prophet Muhammed (SAW) is the Seal of All Prophets – The Very Last & the Quran is the Last Revelation to Mankind from the Creator. There will be no more Prophets to come & no more New Revelations. This is what All of mankind must follow now.

      It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Quran) to you (Muhammad SAW) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). Aforetime, as a guidance to mankind, And He sent down the criterion [of judgement between right and wrong (this Quran)]. Truly, those who disbelieve in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, for them there is a severe torment; and Allah is All-Mighty, All-Able of Retribution. (3:3-4)

      • Rasheed Fui says:

        ‘Aisha’s covenant of marriage was conducted when she was six years old, but the actual commencement of the marriage took place when she was nine-years of age. She was the only virgin he married. Marrying at such young age was not the exception in Arabia at that time. In fact many were married in the young age period of 9-12 when they were physically mature. Furthermore, had this been something degrading and immoral, the enemies of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) from the Pagans would have loved to use this against the character of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) and ‘Aisha’s father (Abu Bakr, may Allah be please with him), the first one to believe the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) and support his propagation of Islam. Not to mention this would have been a major block against the spread of Islam amongst the Arabs if the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) would appear as a man of “uncontrolled sexual drive.”

        This would have been obvious to resort to, especially when it is known that they accused the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) of many other things like being a magician, a poet, etc. The fact that they did not attempt even to consider this marriage as a tool against the integrity of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) stands as a strong irrefutable evidence that such marriages were of the norm, not the exception. In so many societies, it was even considered that the girl who does not get married before she reaches fifteen years of age as someone being “late” on the scale of marriage timing! In fact such marriages were common in Asia, East Europe, Spain and Portugal.

        On the other hand, it was known that one of the Pagans (Jubair bin Mut’im bin ‘Adiye) was interested to marry ‘Aaisha before her engagement to the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم), but her mother (Umm Romaan, may Allah be please with her), rejected him. This proves that she was physically mature for marriage. Her family sought the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) because of his noble character as her mother asserted when she told her husband (Abu Bakr صلى الله عليه و سلم) of her intent.

        There was a great wisdom in her marriage whereby ‘Aaisha witnessed the revelation and the rulings of Islam pertaining to the most particular and private matters of women, transmitting that to the men and women of the world. She reported about 2100 narrations from the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) covering rulings, worships, and transactions . She was the greatest woman scholar in Islam and she had many students of knowledge from the companions of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم).

      • Zeesh says:

        Peace All. Please note that Ayesha age of joining MUHAMMAD (PBU) at 9 year in it self is not proven. Please read below with full paragraphs with full reference. Hope it will clear up the confusion that people try to spread.

        Research subsequent to the time of Maulana Muhammad Ali has shown that she (Aisha) was older than this. An excellent short work presenting such evidence is the Urdu pamphlet Rukhsati kai waqt Sayyida Aisha Siddiqa ki umar (‘The age of Lady Aisha at the time of the start of her married life’) by Abu Tahir Irfani.[4a] Points 1 to 3 below have been brought to light in this pamphlet.

        1. The famous classical historian of Islam, Ibn Jarir Tabari, wrote in his ‘History’:

        “In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of Abdul Uzza, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom Abdur Rahman and Aisha were born. These four were born before Islam.” [5]

        Being born before Islam means being born before the Call.

        2. The compiler of the famous Hadith collection Mishkat al-Masabih, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, who died 700 years ago, has also written brief biographical notes on the narrators of Hadith reports. He writes under Asma, the older daughter of Abu Bakr:

        “She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa, wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her. … In 73 A.H. … Asma died at the age of one hundred years.” [6]

        (Go here to see an image of the full entry in Urdu.)

        This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.

        3. The same statement is made by the famous classical commentator of the Holy Quran, Ibn Kathir, in his book Al-bidayya wal-nihaya:

        “Asma died in 73 A.H. at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister Aisha.” [7]

        Apart from these three evidences, which are presented in the Urdu pamphlet referred to above, we also note that the birth of Aisha being a little before the Call is consistent with the opening words of a statement by her which is recorded four times in Bukhari. Those words are as follows:

        “Ever since I can remember (or understand things) my parents were following the religion of Islam.” [8]

        This is tantamount to saying that she was born sometime before her parents accepted Islam but she can only remember them practising Islam. No doubt she and her parents knew well whether she was born before or after they accepted Islam, as their acceptance of Islam was such a landmark event in their life which took place just after the Holy Prophet received his mission from God. If she had been born after they accepted Islam it would make no sense for her to say that she always remembered them as following Islam. Only if she was born before they accepted Islam, would it make sense for her to say that she can only remember them being Muslims, as she was too young to remember things before their conversion. This is consistent with her being born before the Call, and being perhaps four or five years old at the time of the Call, which was also almost the time when her parents accepted Islam.

        Two further evidences cited by Maulana Muhammad Ali

        In the footnotes of his Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari, entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, Maulana Muhammad Ali had pointed out reports of two events which show that Aisha could not have been born later than the year of the Call. These are as follows.

        1. The above mentioned statement by Aisha in Bukhari, about her earliest memory of her parents being that they were followers of Islam, begins with the following words in its version in Bukhari’s Kitab-ul-Kafalat. We quote this from the English translation of Bukhari by M. Muhsin Khan:

        “Since I reached the age when I could remember things, I have seen my parents worshipping according to the right faith of Islam. Not a single day passed but Allah’s Apostle visited us both in the morning and in the evening. When the Muslims were persecuted, Abu Bakr set out for Ethiopia as an emigrant.” [9]

        Commenting on this report, Maulana Muhammad Ali writes:

        “This report sheds some light on the question of the age of Aisha. … The mention of the persecution of Muslims along with the emigration to Ethiopia clearly shows that this refers to the fifth or the sixth year of the Call. … At that time Aisha was of an age to discern things, and so her birth could not have been later than the first year of the Call.” [10]

        Again, this would make her more than fourteen at the time of the consummation of her marriage.

        2. There is a report in Sahih Bukhari as follows:

        “On the day (of the battle) of Uhud when (some) people retreated and left the Prophet, I saw Aisha daughter of Abu Bakr and Umm Sulaim, with their robes tucked up so that the bangles around their ankles were visible hurrying with their water skins (in another narration it is said, ‘carrying the water skins on their backs’). Then they would pour the water in the mouths of the people, and return to fill the water skins again and came back again to pour water in the mouths of the people.” [11]

        Maulana Muhammad Ali writes in a footnote under this report:

        “It should also be noted that Aisha joined the Holy Prophet’s household only one year before the battle of Uhud. According to the common view she would be only ten years of age at this time, which is certainly not a suitable age for the work she did on this occasion. This also shows that she was not so young at this time.” [12]

        If, as shown in the previous section above, Aisha was nineteen at the time of the consummation of her marriage, then she would be twenty years old at the time of the battle of Uhud. It may be added that on the earlier occasion of the battle of Badr when some Muslim youths tried, out of eagerness, to go along with the Muslim army to the field of battle, the Holy Prophet Muhammad sent them back on account of their young age (allowing only one such youngster, Umair ibn Abi Waqqas, to accompany his older brother the famous Companion Sa‘d ibn Abi Waqqas). It seems, therefore, highly unlikely that if Aisha was ten years old the Holy Prophet would have allowed her to accompany the army to the field of battle.

        We conclude from all the evidence cited above that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was nineteen years old when she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife in the year 2 A.H., the nikah or betrothal having taken place five years previously.

    • Zeesh says:

      And one of the reason that Islam attracts me is that Islam does not raise such disrespectful questions regarding any of the prophets. Lets face it question of this nature could be raised regarding a Prophet’s birth, But does Muslim raise such questions?? NO. Never. They respect all prophets. Please read Genesis 19.33 below , and see if this is how we should treat Prophet. All Prophets deserve respect. This is what Islam teaches that never say anything bad or think anything bad regarding any Prophet whether it is Muhammad (PBU) or Jesus or any other And this is the reason my friend I get closer to Islam Every day. I like to associate to a religion that respect all Prophet and do not like to associate with a religion that treat his Prophet well but show no sign of respect to others.

      Genesis 19:33
      (“Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him that we may preserve our family through our father.” 33So they made their father drink wine that night, and the firstborn went in and lay with her father; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. 34On the following day, the firstborn said to the younger, “Behold, I lay last night with my father; let us make him drink wine tonight also; then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve our family through our father.”…)

      Read the whole story it is mind blowing. Guys this is not how we talk about Prophets.

      Now see how Quran talks about Other Prophets and teaches its followers how to treat them.

      QURAN 2:136
      Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the Prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

  33. Mohammed Maualaivao Neru 111 Al Shafii says:

    The Oneness of Allah

    Allah, ta^ala said in the Qur’an:

    لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ
    Laysa kamithlihi shay’.
    Ayah 11 of Suratush-Shura means: {Nothing resembles Him (Allah) in any way.}

    This means that Allah, ta^ala, does not resemble any of His creations.

    It was related that a group of Jews came to the Prophet, sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, and said: “O Muhammad, describe to us your Lord Whom you worship.” Then Suratul-Ikhlas was revealed, and Prophet Muhammad said, “This is the description of my Lord.”

    The questioning of the Jews was with the intent of mockery and not to seek the knowledge.

    The answer of the Prophet, sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, indicates that Allah is attributed with attributes, and just as Allah Himself does not resemble His creation, His Attributes do not resemble the attributes of the creation. Allah is attributed with all the proper perfection, and He is clear from all the attributes of imperfection.

    Allah, ta^ala, said in the Qur’an:

    وَلِلّهِ الْمَثَلُ الأَعْلَىَ
    Wa lillahil-mathalul-a^la.

    Ayah 60 of Suratun-Nahl means: {Allah has the perfect Attributes that are not similar to the attributes of others.} Everything other than Allah is created (i.e., this entire universe).

    Allah is the only One attributed with Eternity. That is, Allah has no beginning and likewise His Attributes are eternal, without a beginning. The attributes of other than Allah are created; they change from one state to another. Allah is clear of change. He is the One Who creates changes in His creations, but He does not change. He is the One Who creates development in His creations, but He does not develop.

    It is helpful to look at the following phrases to understand this subject of Tawhid (Creed).

    Allah is Eternal; He has no beginning.
    All the creations have a beginning. Allah created them.

    Allah is Everlasting; He has no end.
    It is mentally possible for all the creation to end.

    The Attributes of Allah are eternal and everlasting; they have no beginning or end.
    The attributes of the creation are created. They have a beginning and it is mentally possible for them to end.

    The Attributes of Allah do not change, develop, or transform, because those processes belong to the attributes of the creation.
    The attributes of the creation change, develop, and transform from one state to another, because Allah is their Creator.

    Allah is the Creator of the world and what is in it. He is the Creator of good and evil. He is the Creator of the actions of the slaves, and He is their Sustainer.
    The creations do not create good or evil. They do not create any of their actions. The one who cuts an apple is not able to put it back together as it was.

    Allah is One with no partners to Him. He is One in His Self, Attributes, and Actions.
    The creations are of many different shapes and colors. Even the same kind of fruit can be either sweet or sour. Yet the creations still resemble each other in many aspects.

    Allah is not a body; He does not have a size, and does not occupy space.
    The creations have sizes and places in which they reside.

    Allah does not need the creation.
    The creations are in need of their Creator; they are in need of Allah.

    Allah is the only One Who deserves to be worshipped. No one is God but He.
    The creations do not deserve to be worshipped, because they are weak and are in need of their Creator.

    The creed of the Muslims is that Allah is unlike the creations. Imam al-Junayd, may Allah have mercy on him, said: “Tawhid is to differentiate between the Eternal and the created.”ps I am not a Salafi Wahabi , you can find me on facebook , on the SMAC Page , Samoan Muslims Australia Converts , Peace

  34. JESUSLOVESYOU2 says:

    JESUS CHRIST IS LORD. JOHN 14: SIMPLE! THE FATHER SENT THE SON WHO LIVES AMONGST US! JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.. NO ONE ELSE. AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE THIS WITH ALL MY HEART, ALL MY SOUL, ALL MY MIND & STRENGTH!

  35. Insaaalah says:

    Assalamualaikum my friends.eventhough nowadays you heard Islam do a lot of bad things I believe this is all America work.they wanted to destroy Islam because they are coward.but I know both Christian and Islam is a beautiful religion.but I dont blame both religion because every individual knows their best

  36. andrew says:

    Yeah I’m going to start a Satanic church in Samoa too, Islam Satanic what’s the bloody difference.

  37. salam to all ….any one serious and real not fake and liar can talk with me
    skype id
    iftipaki
    wwww.iftionline.com

  38. Abdul Lateef says:

    As Salamu Alaikum Uso..
    Masha Allah that we have found here heaps of Samoan who became Muslim, not only from Samoa but also from every corner of the globe Masha Allah…
    manuia Le aso

  39. Abdul Lateef says:

    As Salamu Alaikum Uso..
    Masha Allah that we have found here heaps of Samoan who became Muslim, not only from Samoa but also from every corner of the globe Masha Allah…
    manuia Le aso
    as salam

  40. Abdul Lateef says:

    As Salam waleikum
    Masha Allah I’ve found alot of Samoan Muslim in this conversation
    I’m a Samoa now I also born in Samoa
    My Samoan Muslim Brother our Small Muslim community really need your support
    I’m now here in Fiji to become a first Hafiz in Samoa
    Any Samoa Muslim please add me on FB or email me on youngabdullateef@gmail.com
    Faafetai lava
    Jazak Allah

  41. Abdul Lateef says:

    I’m proud to be A Samoan
    n the main thing im proud to be a muslim

  42. Des says:

    I am a muslim
    but I am not perfect
    if I do something wrong
    blame it on me
    but not my religion

  43. RUMLI says:

    HI I LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE MUSLIMS IN SAMOA. MY ADDRESS IS sandyibrahim09@yahoo.com

  44. Thanks for such a beautiful sharing.

  45. where we found halal food in Samoa, i am from Indonesia.

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